I first got to know Anthony Czerwinksi last year when there was a comp being put together that our bands were both going to be on. The original comp line-up got changed a bit, so it didn't ultimately come together as initially intended, but Anthony struck me as a really thoughtful guy who seemed to have a lot of the same views on hardcore and such as I did. Not to mention, when I checked out Annulment's other releases, I was mighty impressed.
Since then, the band has gone through some pretty significant line-up changes, but Anthony has kept things together and the band is currently recording what is most likely going to be their final release, a six song effort entitled "The Nihil of Vibrant Soul". Just based on the title alone, I was intrigued as I could tell there's a lot more going on than the typical hardcore record.
We had a pretty extensive chat covering Anthony's family, views on anarchism and spirituality, and of course, the new record. Read on.
To begin with, talk a little bit about your childhood and
family. To what extent was art, creativity, music part of your household coming
up as a kid?
This might be a surprising question to some because it's not
something I explicitly talk about, but my sister and I's childhood was heavily
influenced by art because of our grandfather. Our grandfather John Buscema was
a fairly well-known comic book artist with Marvel comics and also some DC stuff
in the mid to late 20th century. So both myself and my sister were heavily
supported when it came to the arts because of him. He was kind of like the glue
that held our family together too - really genuine, generous, kind, and
powerful guy. He was always pushing us to support whatever creative venture we
had on our plate, my sister actually ended up going full throttle into the art
field after he passed but I kind of ventured into writing because I was too
intimidated to get into art full time.
I'm only now starting to say 'fuck it' and do more artwork,
it's funny because I'm almost 32 and I'm only now thinking about getting into
tattooing because I've worked every retail job under the sun and have been
largely miserable. Punk was something that was introduced from my uncle to my
sister, and then my sister onto me when I was about 10 years old. I held onto
that at an early age because right off the bat it gave me something that was
mine that I could hide away with. Granted, my first records I was ever
introduced to were Rancid's "And Out Come the Wolves" and Op Ivy's
"Energy" among other stuff that were more alternative or grunge in
the 90s, but I know I listened to what little records I had to death
pre-internet because I didn't know and was too young to find this stuff on my
own.
It wasn't until I was 14 that I got into hardcore, and that
was a huge jumping point and exploration for me because my sister wasn't really
into hardcore, she was more of a punk and oi type but she did introduce me to
my first two hardcore bands which as it turns out was Warzone and Blood for
Blood. From there I found myself checking out Victory's late 90's/early 00's
catalog and by association, Equal Vision and Revelation. I was absolutely obsessed
as a teenager and it never really left me oddly enough, I'm either stubborn or
stupid, haha.
Man that's awesome! Did your grandfather ever sit you down
and show you the stuff he was working on, drawing techniques, etc. or was it
more like you knew he was really good and you checked stuff out from afar?
No way! My grandfather was the type of guy that was
extremely humble with his family, and even people outside of his family and
willing to help out and guide people along. He was a really hard worker, but
since he worked from home, he always made time for family and was constantly
pushing me and my sister along in terms of art. Since I was just a kid though,
I didn't utilize all of the resources he gave me - I was always doing other
average kid things, but he was always planning for the future for us. He was
definitely more like our father figure than anything else, especially since
ours was out of our lives at a very young age. He himself had a really rough
time growing up in the 30's and 40's in the red hook district of Brooklyn, he
grew up really poor and his family life was far from stable, so this was a guy
who built a life for himself out of complete ruin.
Have you ever talked to your uncle about how he fell into
stuff when he was young? Did he ever take you and your sister to shows at all,
or was it more like you guys just knew he was in the know on cooler shit?
My uncle was on a completely different plane of existence
and underground music was something he exited out of by the time he was in his
early 20's. I've never actually talked to him about what shows he'd seen but he
would have been of a ripe enough age to see Cro-Mags during the AOQ-era, Gorilla
Biscuits, and Youth of Today. I know he liked Suicidal Tendencies and the Dead
Kennedys. I'll have to ask him about it one day, but I largely got into a lot
of music through my sister.
Alright so you mentioned getting big into Victory and EVR
when you were young....what were the shows like when you first started going
and what bands made an impression on you? Obviously Long Island has such a
storied scene and so many great bands, give us some insight into what it was
like to experience that when you were coming up.
Going to hardcore shows on Long Island in 2001-ish were much
different than going to shows now. It was the tail end of all of the 90s stuff
that happened out here and bands like Vision of Disorder, Neglect, Indecision,
and Silent Majority really weren't around anymore. The influence of all of that
stuff was pretty huge though, especially Silent Majority. SM have always been
like a reference point for a lot of bands that came after in the early 2000s -
absolutely a band like Crime in Stereo or Heads Vs. Breakers (though Rich
Jacovina from SM was in H vs. B for their entirety)
However, Kill Your Idols was really huge around here and
they carved out their own niche within our scene and exploded. Really important
LI band regardless of what your stance on them is. It was locals that made an
impression on me first, and the vibe was more chill than how outwardly violent
shows around here are today. That's not to say that early 00’s shows were any
less energetic, but there was definitely more of an emphasis on pile-on’s and
sing-a-longs than explicitly going to a show and expecting your teeth to get
knocked in. Whenever there was any bullshit or nonsense, it was taken care of
and people were confronted and thrown out of shows by the other attendees. No
one does that anymore, but that's not to say Long Island is any less unified,
it's just different now.
Melodic hardcore and straight up hardcore isn't as big now
as it was then, metal-core and heavy hardcore seems to be taking the helm this
era. Shows were always really diverse back then too - it wasn't uncommon to
have a hardcore, metal-core, indie, singer-songwriter, punk, and emo band all
on the same show. At some points I remember electronic projects being on
hardcore shows for better or worse depending on who you asked, haha. Also
pamphlets, benefits, donation jars for various causes. We're just seeing that
coming back now over here.
Locals of my era that made an impression on me as a teenager
were Subterfuge (Rick from This is Hell's band before This is Hell)
Strongpoint, Gabriel, Heads Vs. Breakers, The Backup Plan, Kill Your Idols,
Celebrity Murders (Artie from Indecision), Blood Red (ex-Silent Majority).
Pretty much anything that wasn't Glassjaw (though Sons of Abraham were great)
or Brand New. I couldn't stand that entire school of stuff because it harped on
so many themes and attitudes that were born from our underground scene but was
completely contrary to what makes Long Island's scene great. Pushed to the
front, and it's what Long Island was largely known for. To each his own, of
course, but I found the overall integrity of that stuff lacking when Long
Island has so many diamonds in the rough. Bands that made an impression on me
in general as a teen - Bane ("Holding This Moment"), The Hope Conspiracy, One
King Down ("Bloodlust Revenge"), Most Precious Blood, Hatebreed, Stay Gold,
Judge, Cave-In, Converge.
Talk a little bit more about that cultural change....less
posi, less ideas oriented. That's something I've definitely noticed over the
years as well...what do you see as driving that evolution and how do we bring
it back around?
I can't say for sure, and I tread carefully when discussing
this sort of thing because it seems to be reoccurring attitude to use the old
"well, hardcore's not like it used to be" scapegoat. I mean, it's
never going to be like whatever you or I were comfortable with it being or
representing, that's dogma, and fuck dogma, that's what all of the older crowd
who were in bands in days' past are trying to push onto the kids to keep their
vision on life-support a bit longer to satiate whatever fragile ego they've
built up. I have more of a problem with that than hardcore changing. it's going
to shapeshift into something else almost by default.
What people seem to forget is that when you're heavily
involved or devoted to a space, you are free to create within it. 90% of the
time you're going to fall flat on your face, but it's worth committing to being
the change you want to see. Admittedly, I get awfully jaded and bitter at
times, but a larger part of me realizes that you can't fault a teenager or
young kid just getting into this to adhere to you or I's vision of hardcore if
it's something they've otherwise not been exposed to. Hardcore is not above
marketing either, it's strange to me to be aware of what school of bands is the
hot new thing, and I can't tell if it's a hot new thing or if people are
actually finding substance in what's puked out at them. I would venture a guess
that the internet and bands and shows being oversaturated and hyper-accessible
might have a bit to do with how disposable hardcore can feel at times.
I'm not going to harp on "well this is what I had to do
to find a show" nonsense, but there is some truth to the fact that social
media has made flyering and booking shows INFINITELY easier. I can't speak too
much on this because I got into this at the transition period of show dates
being available on the internet, but they were always on some really crude
website or forum. I also think a lot of people don't put their money where
their mouth is either, and I think a lot of people overlook context in nearly
every situation that sprouts up. I truly feel like this is a material problem,
no matter what wing you lean towards, and in a lot of ways it feels like a
smokescreen.
We live in really weird times and we're moving towards even
weirder shit. People feel safer than they actually are, and that kind of
recklessness is definitely a young man's game.
At what point did you start to pick up the mic/guitar and
start doing your own projects?
I've been playing guitar since I was 19 (poorly) but I've
only sung in two bands. My first was when I was 20 in a band called Invade,
which actually wasn't terribly different from Annulment. We had a lot of
momentum and we even got to do two splits, one with our friends in In Times of
War (the same singer, Tim, sings in Carcosa now) and the other was with Die Young.
It was cool because we had a ton of momentum propelling us forward but I was
dealing with some pretty severe mental health issues in my early 20’s so I
wasn't able to commit to the band and go on tour like we planned. I left the
band and they kept going a bit longer, but they eventually called it quits
shortly after.
The great thing about Invade is that I kept really close
with all of those guys after the fact, they were so cool about my entire
situation and were truly my friends before they were my bandmates. It took
about 7 years of working with various people to finally get Annulment up and
running, first started by our former guitarist Brian Christie. To be able to
have something tangible I can put my hand in creating is essential to my
sanity, haha.
I'm not sure if I'll ever stop playing music, I actually
started playing guitar way more seriously lately, Matt Reed who was the
previous singer of Jukai has been helping me out a ton, he's a crazy-skilled
musician and also has had his hand in Annulment too. I hope I get to work with
him too in the future, definitely a solid and genuine person.
Take us through your time with Annulment....you guys have
the e.p. on Blasphemour, a couple digital songs and now you're working on the
final will and testament. What would you say was the vision for the band both
lyrically and sonically when you started, and how close would you say you've
come to realizing that vision?
Annulment started in 2013 between me and Brian Christie,
though our current guitarist Simon Swist was technically in the band from the
beginning, but he left for a couple of years and we had him back with us in
2015. We had several other people play bass, second guitar, and drums. At this
point I guess I’m the only original member the whole way through. For this
upcoming record Dan Lomeli from Incendiary was kind enough to help us out with
drums and working with him has been great, really laid-back, up-for-anything,
salt-of-the-earth kind of guy. Our other friend Randy Nieves is on bass for the
recording, also a really solid guy we all know from back in the day which was
cool because we’ve been without a bassist since December.
Simon’s been handling the guitar-work and generally piecing
together and writing a lot of the songs, which has definitely been a trip. I
love working with the dude because he has a really good ear, a good taste in
what works and what doesn’t, and I relate him in the sense that we both create
manically and obsessively until whatever we’re working on is where we want it
to be. As it turns out, he’s going to be working on mixing our record too, and
I think he’s going to be doing more of that in the future too; he’s starting up
a mixing and mastering gig called Late Bloomer Audio.
Annulment began as a really politically-driven band, and
I’ve always tried to assess things I found to be detestable and
grossly-exploiting. However, I found a problem with this along the way – not in
what I was writing but that I didn’t want to pigeonhole ourselves as
strictly-politics. I’ve always had a really easy time writing this sort of
thing because it was stuff that deeply frustrated me, but you don’t have to
look far anymore, these issues are everywhere.
It became apparent when we were writing and recording the
“Filth Upon a Gaping Maw / Rage Against the Dying Light” 2-song’er that I was
starting more and more to write about myself. It’s something I’ve previously
had a really hard time doing because there’s a sense of narcissism that comes
with publicly revealing yourself like that and in a lot of ways I felt selfish
and shameful in writing about myself. But I’m also changing as a person too;
there’s such an emphasis on labels, alignments, and absolute, black-and-white
ideologies these days that I’m seeing intense isolation in other people as well
as myself.
This is probably the first time I'm publicly stating this,
but I feel more and more distance from traditional atheism, which is weird for
me to say because it's something I rigidly adhered to since I was about 17. I’m
not exactly sure where my beliefs lie but they’re more ambiguous than concrete
at this point, which makes more sense for me as an anarchist. Whether it’s
allegorical or literal, it’s still the same value to me. But, I'm seeing a sort
of dogma in schools of thought that people like Richard Dawkins spearhead that
is damn near equivalent to the sort we've been seeing fundamentalist theists
put forth for centuries.
They are quite literally two sides of the same coin, their
actions and motives are alarmingly similar. I believe in the sciences, but you
can’t deny that there’s a sort of imperialism as to how it’s steamrolling its
way through culture through colonialization and a sort of technophilia – we are
quite literally a skip away from living in Blade Runner, and I have mixed
feelings about that because technology as it stands is almost always going to
be within a capitalist context, lining someone’s pockets, or turning the
environment into a frothing septic tank - we already see this most perversely
with the hold of the pharmaceutical and food industries in this country.
On the “Celestial Mother…” EP, I finished off the record
with some alluding to where I was going spiritually with “Lilith of Fair Soil…”
which was both allegorical and literal to me. It’s a common figure, but Lilith
is a demon from Jewish mythology who was told to have been the first woman
before Eve, and created at the same time as Adam. Lilith refused to be
subservient to Adam, and consequently left Eden as a result – thus Eve was
created to replace Lilith, who in some context might be represented as the
first true rebellion, question, or refusal.
On "The Nihil of Vibrant Soul", our final record,
this is a record about egoism, both in myself and forces that attempt to
dictate others and the idea of egoism turning inward on itself. It's the
literal and allegorical idea of the Gnostic demiurge Yaldabaoth, who as the
mythology goes was a being or force that created the Earth but is a false god
that is not the true creator of the universe. It keeps us suspended and trapped
in time, mortality, and illusion and feeds itself off of human suffering
believing that it created the entire cosmos and handicapping our potential.
True salvation lies beyond overcoming this illusion and reaching the true
"source" and the interesting thing about Gnostic thought is that
there is no real legitimate hierarchy. In knowing, people have the ability and
means to become equal to this "source", rather than live under the
thumb of a false creator.
I thought this was a great analogy especially to the current
state of American life, government, oppression, and means of control. In a
sense, we all live in the Gnostic dilemma on a physical plane at bare minimum.
Amebix was a band that realized a lot of these same themes and I definitely
cite them as an influence too. 108 is a band that while I don't agree with
everything they had to say, are probably the best and most important band to
come out of hardcore because they definitely initiated a lot of important
dialogue.
Ego is a powerful driving force, we see it in people whose
voices are so loud to the point of narcissistic personality disorder, to sheer
manipulation, and even depression has a lot to do with the ego. I see all of
this in myself and also people I've known over the years.
The need for control and adoration is poisonous and if not
truly and selflessly devoted to something outside of yourself, surrounding
yourself with fiercely-creative and benevolent company, and by association some
kind of self-discipline, I can guarantee that any and all people trapped in the
confines of that egoism will have very sad, unfulfilled, and tragic ending to
their lives. Over the years we’ve had overdoses and suicides from our friends;
young people, and I can’t help but keep coming to that conclusion. Work through
your shit and be devoted to others, you'd be surprised what kind of true and
powerful bonds you'll create. We are not as grand as we build ourselves up to
be. Fuck charisma without substance and merit to back it. That's a really hard
lesson I had to learn and will continue to learn. All in all, I'm not sure what
material I could even possibly write after this record, it feels very
conclusive in a lot of ways. I'm excited to share it even if one or two people
listen to it. I’ve always been in this for personal growth, dialogue, and deep
bonds.
It's awesome to see you bring up these deep ideas, I wish
more people in hardcore were wrestling with these big questions. So I come from
a pretty religious background and have retained a lot of those spiritual
beliefs but at the same time have shed a lot of them as well. largely because
of what I've encountered through punk and hardcore. It's interesting to hear
you talk about the limits of human capacity ("we are not as grand as we
build ourselves up to be") while at the same time identifying as an anarchist.
One of the criticisms that's always been in my mind when I hear people talk about anarchism is like yeah it's great to talk about autonomy and being unbounded and all that, but on the other hand, history has shown us that as humans we are more selfish and vicious than I think we even understand, so a little humility, and gasp! submission to some sort of authority is probably needed to control the worst of our excesses. Talk a little bit more about bringing together an anarchist perspective and an understanding of the human condition (I realize this is the type of question about which whole volumes are written, haha).
One of the criticisms that's always been in my mind when I hear people talk about anarchism is like yeah it's great to talk about autonomy and being unbounded and all that, but on the other hand, history has shown us that as humans we are more selfish and vicious than I think we even understand, so a little humility, and gasp! submission to some sort of authority is probably needed to control the worst of our excesses. Talk a little bit more about bringing together an anarchist perspective and an understanding of the human condition (I realize this is the type of question about which whole volumes are written, haha).
I think by nature something like punk rock and hardcore
gives us a sense of skepticism for the organized religions we likely grew up
with. I remember questioning at a very young age though, even before getting
involved in underground music. I grew up Catholic and went to an afterschool
program to receive communion and confirmation. I think I was about in 5th grade
when I asked a question about Adam and Eve because I was confused as to how we
were all descendants of two humans because it conflicted with what I was
learning in the sciences at public school about genes overlapping and creating
birth defects due to incestuous procreation. Basically the answer I got was
“well, don’t you believe in miracles?” and that kind of set off a lightbulb in
my head at a young age that critical thought was being squashed at the most
basic level.
That’s not to say that I came from a deep and strict
religious household though. As weird as it was growing up, we were never
pressed for what we believed or disbelieved. We celebrated religious holidays
for sure (and still do) but we were never really observing the religion, it’s
always been more of a sense of family tradition and being a part of a societal
norm than being explicitly connected to a religious observation spiritually. More
frankly, it’s just an excuse to get the family together. But I can count on one
hand the amount of times we actually went to church as a kid, haha. My family
also saw any sort of spirituality as taboo – they’re the kind of people that
aren’t really offended by astrologers, psychic mediums, or witchcraft. In that
regard we had it really easy growing up!
As far as anarchism and spirituality goes, I strongly
believe that they can go hand-in-hand. The issue is that we have monocultures
and dogmatic schools of thought hovering over us. One thing that comes to mind
was lightly studying anthropology when I was at university, specifically
ancient African civilizations. This stuff changed my outlook on things
significantly. From what I learned, pre-civilization humans traveled in
extremely small groups of people, categorically ‘bands’, which is even smaller
than a tribe – consisting of roughly about a dozen or so people. What’s really
interesting is that by nature there wasn’t really a hierarchy to these bands of
people, it was largely egalitarian, they just had duties so that they could
actually subsist and survive (sounds a lot like anarchism to me) They also had
spiritual beliefs too, believe it or not, but their gods were personal gods,
and sometimes they were gods and deities and took the form of their deceased
relatives and ancestors.
Here’s where things get interesting. As civilization grew
and became more complex – from bands, to tribes, to chiefdoms, to states, to
empires; it becomes less egalitarian and there is more of a need of a unified
state spirituality, alignment, and cause in order for society and nation to
function as a whole – but at what cost? It’s a no-brainer I guess; if you have
millions or billions of people claiming their own individualized spiritual and
political presence, there’s no unification if you have several dogmatic or
resistant beliefs. Actually, they don’t even need to be dogmatic or resistant,
if they’re merely different in any capacity that doesn’t support the larger
growth; it becomes a problem in the eyes of an overreaching state.
Pure anarchism is largely a dream in the modern era,
especially when we’ve overpopulated ourselves to exceed seven billion and
growing, it would come off in a lot of regards as wholly selfish, which is why
you see a lot of anarchists jumping ship and becoming anarcho-communists
because (admittedly) it makes more sense in historical and in current political
context. But I think to an extent, even in a seemingly egalitarian system like
that, there’s still a degree of state control no matter how you slice it. As a
point of reference, it’s no secret that Gnostics were largely exterminated by
the greater Christian following and were nearly wiped out of Christian canon
entirely until we discovered the Nag Hammadi texts in the 1940s. Which by the
way, when Christianity was first founded, there were something like 100-150
sects of it. The idea of a state religion is absolutely an imperial endeavor.
I can’t speak for the rest of Annulment because I know we’ve
always been a diverse bunch, but I have to really drive the point that I’m
personally in complete opposition to Libertarianism or Anarcho-Capitalism
(which is not anarchism any way you look at it. Ayn Rand and Rothbard were not
anarchists) which is probably also why LaVeyan Satanism never appealed to me
either, which just kind of comes off like Ayn Rand “fuck you, got mine”
rhetoric with spooky and edgy teenage poetry. Of course, there are other
schools of Satanism that are more cohesive but as a whole it never really
appealed to me for its overemphasis on personal power and less on personal
sacrifice. To me it just comes off to me as people who have tendencies of
unapologetic empire-building and are largely afraid to die.
The strongest people I know are the most humble. They’re not
doormats, but they’re spiritually connected to the idea that we exist here on
an expendable physical plane and that materialism is worthless; that our
personal connections to people, weakened groups of people, and self-exploration
are so much more valuable and any wealth or power. But also that violence is
sometimes necessary to defend these things as well on a personal, not
militarized level.
As far as the idea of authority, I think leadership and
authority are two entirely different things. Fuck anything that refers to
itself as authority. We don’t need authority, but we can certainly stand to
learn from the leadership of our peers. Some people are just better suited for
certain tasks, and are better suited to learn from than others. All of this can
still be egalitarian. A lot of my friends are way better musicians than I am
and of course I’m going to learn from them instead of get this pig-headed idea
in my mind that I can currently do better than them on my own. Maybe one day,
but not today haha. I feel like you can apply that to nearly anything, I’ve
always treated other people as equals even if there’s a difference in ability.
I think that’s what anarchism is all about. Again, removing the ego, which is
not the same as confidence but a perversion of it.
In the idea of humans being vicious and selfish, yes, that’s
an unfortunate side of duality all of us come to face at one point or another.
We can be ugly, disgusting, awful creatures to one another but we can’t curse
this part of ourselves either, that ugliness is very much a part of us but we
don’t have to feed it either. I also see no problem with excommunicating (not
imprisoning) someone from a community if they are innately malicious and
malevolent towards the community. That brings up a lot of grey areas and
aspects of agreed-upon communal law and there are always ugly variables to deal
with but the point is that nothing is black and white and you have to look at
things on an individual basis. There is nothing inherently wrong with bending
in my opinion.
As far humans being vicious and selfish in the modern era, I
could chalk that up to the fact that there’s an obscene economic disparity
between one person and another. We’ve been poisoned by the idea that we deserve
and are entitled to the opportunity to build empires and I’d like to think
we’re capable of being more than a colonial virus.
Alright so let's bring this back to Annulment and the
new/final record you guys are working on....how has the recording process been
going thus far, and what should people expect from it sonically?
Recording has been going great. We recorded all of the
instruments in a few days with our friend Taykwuan and in the coming weeks we’re
doing vocals separately and taking a bit more time with that. Simon’s taking
care of mixing the record, and we talked about sending it to Audiosiege to be
mastered but we’re still unsure of that currently. It might take a few more
months for all of this to be pushed out, but I would rather us be obsessive and
particular about fine tuning the record to get it where we want rather than
rush out something that could’ve been better.
I’m sure all of us would have a different input as to what
the record sounds like sonically, but to give an idea – I would say that this
record is some kind of cross-pollination of Jesuit, Unbroken, Deadguy,
Converge, Turmoil, and a touch of Integrity. I hope I’m accurate in that
description, but that’s the vibe I’ve gotten from us writing these songs for
the last couple of years. Though those influences are rooted in the 90s, it’s
definitely got a different vibe than the deliberate heavy 90s hardcore
influence we had in the first release. The 2-song EP we put out in 2015
probably serves as a transition marker for sure.
As a final will and testament so to speak, what do you hope
people take away from it?
I haven’t really thought about what I hope people take away
from it because I’ve been so involved in internalizing the writing process.
Whereas on previous releases, especially “Celestial Mother…” I was writing to
reach out to people who felt the same way about social issues and find some
semblance of a community. To an extent that was successful because I made a few
good friends in other scenes out of it.
This is the first time I’ve found myself writing a very selfish
record lyrically. It’s entirely unhinged and raw, and if people relate to it
that’s fantastic, but like I said before, I’m in this for the dialogue. There’s
definitely a part of me that’s curious to know what people take from it, if
anything, and I hope I can look forward to some conversations in the future.
There’s not enough of that in hardcore, in my opinion. Any and all criticism is
always welcome, I’m not thin-skinned about what I create, I have no delusions
about sitting on some golden egg or being entitled to reap the benefits of
something I worked on or some nonsense.
Simply put, this record is just a lot about coping with my
own experiences – socially, spiritually, and internally. The only stake I have
in this is urging people to keep their minds open and look past a lot of the
illusory waste that surrounds us; it’s not merely outside and explicitly
pressing against us, it’s also very close to us – the people you keep closest
and agree with you the most could often turn out to be the most vile. Make
friends with a supposed enemy. You have no idea how valuable your presence
could be in someone else’s life and how your dedication, drive, and consistency
could change them and yourself. There is no polarity, just intention.
You mentioned potentially continuing to create music with
some of the people involved in the current incarnation of Annulment, what sort
of project are you hoping comes next?
I’ve been messing around with guitar, I don’t think I’ll
ever personally stop making music. It’s compulsory, obsessive – the healthy
kind, I assure you haha. Who really knows for sure, but I’ve always wanted to
do something a little bit lighter – we’ll see how true to reality that actually
sticks though. It’s true that this is shaping up to be our last hurrah of
sorts, but I can’t predict what happens today or tomorrow. We may play a few
more shows, we may play a good amount more, we may never play a show again. But
this band certainly has a timeline, however long that stretches. It’s
exhausting to reintroduce and say goodbye to several people when you’re
steering a singular, lasting project. At what point do you hang it up and
devote your energies elsewhere? If Axis comes back to Long Island and
Withdrawal tours out this way again, maybe we’ll stick around for a bit longer.
That’s my unreasonable ultimatum and I’m sticking to it. Anyway, thanks for the
approach!
Annulment's "The Nihil of Vibrant Soul" will be out later this year.
In the meantime: https://annulment.bandcamp.com/