Adrian is a dude I’ve seen play music a good bit over the past couple of years, but who I’ve never really gotten to talk to or hang out with very much. This is probably chalked up to me usually running around crazy if I booked the show, or both of us just being a touch reclusive.
At any rate, I was
pretty excited when he asked me a month or two ago if I’d be interested in
chatting with him for the blog. I had already talked to Rorik from Cloud Rat
last year, but as you’ll read, Adrian has tons of other projects up his sleeve,
and I knew it would be a great opportunity to get some new insight into a
person I’d always been intrigued by.
Anyway, as a drummer,
Adrian is one of my favorites to watch. He basically beats the living shit out of
his drums with reckless abandon, which is the best way to do it!
At any rate, read on
about Adrian’s background and his many bands and musical ventures.
Talk about your childhood a little bit
and your earliest memories/experiences with music.
It's really hard for
me to remember exactly when music started becoming important to me. I was
really young, 6 or 7 or something, that's just as far back as I can
remember. My dad wasn't around when I was a kid, and the first memories I
have of him are seeing him leave to play shows (he was in a slew of 80's metal
bands) and just seeing him play guitar the few times I saw him. As a
young child, I just wanted to be like him, do whatever he was doing, since I
didn't really have him as a dad I think it was more just trying to hold on to
something that I wanted/needed.
Shortly after, (maybe 8 or 9?) I
got a shitty acoustic guitar and was basically hooked. My mother always
tells me stories of me and that guitar. I guess I could already play from
what she tells me. I have a really hard time remembering my childhood so,
I’m sorry if this is all scattered. I got into Nirvana and Soundgarden
basically as soon as I started school. Maybe before that, I remember
getting a The Offspring tape, when we still lived way out in the country, and
that was before we moved into Mount Pleasant. I would have been in
kindergarten, and that shit back then was super gnarly to a little country boy,
who had mostly only heard 80's schlock rock.
So I think it’s fair
to say, I was one of those kids who knew what I wanted to do when I "grew
up", almost from the beginning. I only ever remember being obsessed
with music. Listening to it, and just wishing I could be making it.
Are you a lifelong Mt. Pleasant native?
Are you a lifelong Mt. Pleasant native?
I was born in Mount
Pleasant, and have been trying to leave ever since.
Seeing
that your father is also a musician (especially a metal musician!), is he
pretty supportive of the stuff you're doing? Do you guys ever compare notes or
is that stuff a lifetime away for him now?
The old man is pretty
supportive; he gets all our records, and has come to a couple
shows/practices. We pretty much just trade stories from time to time. He
never really showed me that much about music, even when I was just learning. He
taught me a couple basics for playing guitar. He still plays sometimes I
think, up until the last couple years he was playing shows every weekend around
Michigan, but I think the bar band scene kinda burnt him out.
We don't
talk all that much really, but yeah, I consider myself fortunate to have a rock
n roll pops. Most of my siblings are all into music as well, and super
talented, but it’s strange, even though we have such a bonding thing between us
all, we are all pretty disconnected from each other. I think that will
change at some point though, everyone is busy growing up, and doing their own
thing.
How did you eventually get hooked into
underground music; metal, grind, punk, etc.?
I was into punk and
metal at a pretty young age, but I didn’t know things like local shows even
existed. I pretty much had one friend growing up, and we would try to find
music, and show it to each other as much as we could.
The first time I
really knew what I could, and wanted to do, the first real, small DIY show I
went to, was in Midland at a shitty hotel. I lived there for 2 years as a
teenager, too many fights and stuff in Mount Pleasant, so I moved in an attempt
to "find" myself, and also not get my ass kicked so much.
This
show was the first time I met Rorik Brooks and Jimmy Stellwagen; I never even
began to think someday I would be traveling the world playing music with both
of them. Even though it was a long time ago, and kids were playing border-line
shitty metalcore, while I was watching them play, I just knew that I wanted to
be doing that, and that it wasn't so far out of my reach like I had been
thinking most of my life. I met so many people
that night that ended up basically changing my life. Too many to
list. It all just went crazy after that one show, that’s all I wanted to
do, learn, and be, after that night.
The first time I ever saw you play drums was at a basement
show in Detroit, where you played double sets with both Quietus and Cloud Rat.
I was completely in awe of how someone could play with such speed and intensity
for essentially an hour straight. Do you have any sort of physical regiment to
keep yourself in grinding shape or is just like “the adrenaline hits, let’s
go”?
I play multiple sets
at shows semi-often. The first little tour I went on was Cloud Rat and
Quietus. I wouldn’t say I have much of a regiment for staying in good
shape. I've been skateboarding probably almost as long as I’ve been
playing music, and I try to skate every day. Being vegan probably
helps? But the show you’re talking about, I was probably just getting
back into being vegan. I just play as much as humanly possible, not so
much anymore with so many tours and different bands, but before all the
craziness, I was jamming all day, every day. A lot of those double set
times were just jumping into it though, and hoping for the best. Adrenaline
helps.
There was a good period of time where I wasn't healthy at all,
mostly drug-related stuff, and it was a real struggle to get through a lot of
those demanding sets. I would still play in band after band at a
show. I still love doing it, even if it’s harder on me now; it’s just one
of the best feelings in the world, so why wouldn’t you want to do it over and
over again?
Quietus just kinda fell
apart for no real reason. We recorded a 5 or 6 song EP, made some merch, and
lost it all at a show. You know, classic short lived screamo I guess, haha.
Casey our
singer/guitar player did get arrested, but for some silly shit, and that had
nothing to do with him moving, or the band breaking up. He is still one
of my favorite people. We did a reunion show once; we want to do another
one. Jimmy doesn’t really play bass anymore though, Old Soul pretty much
takes up all the room in his brain these days. Either way, it will probably
happen. I really like the recordings we did, so it’s cool to have
something left, after a a brief stint of something that I found to be really
special.
I feel like Old Soul's stuff has become slightly more atmospheric and melodic, less heavy as the band has gone on. I know there are multiple splits on the horizon, talk a little bit about the new records and how they compare musically with your output thus far. Also, I know with the first 3 LP's there is sort of an interconnected story going on. Do the splits continue to play into that unfolding narrative or do they address altogether different subject matter?
I feel like Old Soul's stuff has become slightly more atmospheric and melodic, less heavy as the band has gone on. I know there are multiple splits on the horizon, talk a little bit about the new records and how they compare musically with your output thus far. Also, I know with the first 3 LP's there is sort of an interconnected story going on. Do the splits continue to play into that unfolding narrative or do they address altogether different subject matter?
Old Soul never really
consciously tried to be more atmospheric or anything, it kind of just happened,
and we tend to just roll with the times. Most of us have always wanted to
just keep expanding our sound and writing style drastically, so we leave things
real open, and experiment with new stuff constantly. We have 2
splits coming out right before we head to Europe in June, one with Lentic
Waters from Germany and one with Nic from Czech Republic.
I think the
upcoming splits are some of the heaviest/craziest stuff we've done so
far. They're still attached to the original story of the first 3 records
in a way, but don't necessarily follow the narrative. It's always hard to
explain that stuff, especially since Casey's writing is pretty huge with so
many things tying into each other. We've been calling the split songs “Artifacts”.
Recording-wise I believe "Nature's Arms...." was recorded with Kevin Kitchel whereas the last two LP's were done with Alex Larson. What does each of those fine gents bring to the table and how would you say their styles compare, both in terms of technique and just in terms of the vibe they bring to recording?
Recording-wise I believe "Nature's Arms...." was recorded with Kevin Kitchel whereas the last two LP's were done with Alex Larson. What does each of those fine gents bring to the table and how would you say their styles compare, both in terms of technique and just in terms of the vibe they bring to recording?
Both Kevin and Alex
are amazing to work with. It's always fun, chill, and both of them always
have good input and are great at what they do. I've recorded with both of those
beautiful beings so many times now. Cloud Rat has only ever recorded with
Kevin so far, and the only thing I can even say about Kevin is that he really
is the most down, most real, nicest, funniest dude to work with, and just to
hang out with.
Once Old Soul started
recording with Alex Larson, it took a bit to get the vibes going and stuff, and
I imagine from an engineers perspective, Old Soul could be an intimidating band
to record; regarding how many parts, time changes, and general stupid length of
songs. Alex really came through though, and he really just understood
what we were trying to do after we recorded 'Who Are Willing to Draw Close”.
I think that’s part of the reason “Tidal Lock” was so special for us, and why
we worked so insanely hard on that record. We knew Alex was on the same
level as us when we went to record those four songs, and I think it
shows. Both dudes are the best dudes to have on your side, working on
your records, and I consider myself lucky to get to work with both of them so
often.
You guys are headed to Europe this summer and
for you it will be your second trip as Cloud Rat went last year. What would you
say the highlights were for you personally last time, and what are you most
excited for on round two?
Man...Cloud Rat Euro
tour was something. I get asked about the best places or times….so many
things, and I always feel like I don't have a good enough answer. I can
say that for me, the friends we made, is easily the best thing. Everyone
in LICH, SKY:LARK, RESURRECTIONISTS, REPUBLIC OF DREAMS, our touring mates,
made that trip into one those things that can bring you to tears if you think
about it too long. All the beautiful places just made everything that
much more intense.
Round two, Old Soul in Europe...I start laughing just thinking about it. We all have so much fun together, and the tour is almost twice as long this time. Everyone is beyond stoked, and we are all best friends, so I can only see great things happening. We've been talking about going since before we ever even played out of Michigan.
For a band like us,
it feels like there's more people that get what we're doing over there, and I
hate that I think that, but I believe that to be true. Our U.S tours are
always out there, of course there’s good shows, and we have friends here, but
at least 40% of U.S tour dates always seem to be strange, and most people
either don't know what to think when we play, or they just get bored.
Maybe if we all looked cool, or super punx or something it would be different.
Kidding.
Mostly.
I think I can speak for all of Old Soul when I say we are
super excited for Cry Me A River Fest, Fluff Fest, all the amazing bands,
countries, people, everything. I'm excited to skate, and hopefully film a
good amount while I'm over there.
Alright let’s shift gears to Cloud Rat. I guess
this is sort of a weird question to ask because I really don't know Madison
very much, but I know you guys were romantically involved in the past. How (if
at all) does that affect the dynamics within the band?
I don't think it's a weird question at all. It actually
gets asked semi-often. Madison and I were young loves; I think we started
seeing each other when we were 15/16. We were also dating, and living
together when Cloud Rat started like four years ago or whatever. We split
maybe 6 months into the band or something? Honestly, I think it works both
ways….on one side of it we are still really close, so we look out for each
other a lot. And I think just having such history with your band mates
makes for good music, and a stronger bond. Maybe that’s why the three of
us click so well together. It gets tense at times, sure. Sort of a
brother/sister fighting and arguing thing still happens from time to time, but
I guess it would be stranger if it didn't.
What it really comes down to for me
though, as kind of fucked up as it sounds, is that all the fighting and sadness
and pain that came with us splitting up, basically just when the band was
starting to find its way, was fuel for a long time to make really emotional,
angry stuff. And, we are still friends, and love each other, and (mostly)
get along, so all is well.
You guys leave in a couple days for a pretty massive run with Thou, a band who seems to have developed a pretty legendary reputation in terms of both the scope and volume of their output, as well as in terms of being a model of how a d.i.y. band can and should run. Talk a little bit about how your relationship with them has developed over the years.
You guys leave in a couple days for a pretty massive run with Thou, a band who seems to have developed a pretty legendary reputation in terms of both the scope and volume of their output, as well as in terms of being a model of how a d.i.y. band can and should run. Talk a little bit about how your relationship with them has developed over the years.
Yeah. Tour with Thou...what is there to even
say? They are one of my favorite bands, and I just started getting into
them right when Cloud Rat started. We did a couple shows with Wolves in
the Throne room and Thou a few years ago, and it’s silly, but I definitely felt
pretty rad about everything when we found out that was happening.
The
first show with Thou was in Cincinnati at this amazingly giant and epic old
brewery. One of the coolest buildings to play in, ever. The show
was really good, and packed, but Thou had blown a tire or something on the way
there and no one knew if they were going to make it. Cloud Rat ended up
playing for like 50mins or some shit to fill time, it was insane. Wolves played
during a thunderstorm and the night went on pretty well.
Thou ended up getting to the venue around 2am, and the crowd
went from a couple hundred people to 40 or so. They set up anyway, and
played basically everything I had heard and loved before that point. I
just had one of those moments when you see a band, I’m sure you know the
feeling. I just stood in awe, and honestly held tears back.
Some time after that we did a few shows with False and Thou
when they toured together, and the vibe between all three bands was just too
good. And I think just about everyone was stoked on the other 2 bands
every single night, so that was just a really special time I think.
Special enough to do another little tour with the three of us, during which I
got to know the dudes in Thou better. So the idea of just doing a
Thou/Cloud Rat tour was tossed around for a long time, and here it is finally
happening, 30 shows in 20 days. Couldn't be more stoked.
I feel like you guys have been getting tons of praise, especially after the
release of "Moksha"; both from more d.i.y metal and grind
publications, as well as bigger channels such as Decibel and even NPR (even
though I think it must just be one person there who happens to have kick-ass
taste in metal, haha). I guess I'm curious if you feel any sort of pressure
with all that as well as whether or not all the acclaim changes in any way the
ambitions you all have for the band.
For me personally, I don't feel any pressure, no. It
was kind of crazy for a while though. I’m not used to that at all, and
just cruising the internet to find your band on like 30 albums of the year
lists; it definitely feels a little strange, to me at least. I don't
really look up a lot of that stuff though, usually its people linking me to
them. Nothing changed really, all we want to do is keep making records
and explore more of the world, and all that attention has opened a lot of doors
for us to do some really cool things and go play some amazing places I never
thought were possible. So, that's what we plan to do, regardless of internet
hype or any sort of praise.
Both Old Soul and Cloud Rat are obviously very loud, intense, etc. How would you say playing in those two bands is both similar and different?
Both Old Soul and Cloud Rat are obviously very loud, intense, etc. How would you say playing in those two bands is both similar and different?
Being able to play in
Cloud Rat and Old Soul at the same time is one of the best things ever. I
basically get to cover everything I want to do, as far as heavy music goes, and
play with a good portion of my life-long friends, on a regular basis.
Really, they are completely different in almost every sense to me; the music
obviously, but the vibe is way different as well, but it’s usually a good
thing.
To me Cloud Rat has always just been so intense, not just the music, but all of our lives. We all have sort of intense personalities as well, in our own ways. So many beyond amazing things have happened to us as a band, and a lot of tragedy as well. I think all that shows in how we write, play, and just feel when we are together. It's what makes it what it is.
Old Soul, for me, is just such a huge thing. Everyone is so crazy talented, and the ideas flow too fast most of the time. But the vibe is sort of opposite to Cloud Rat, for me. Old Soul has always been so laid back, it’s all about fun with us, and I also think that shows through in the music, with it being all over the place and covering so many different sounds. With that being said, there are times where Old Soul will not get things done, or getting everyone together is usually a cluster fuck. So with each distinct feeling and process to both of those bands, comes what makes them work, makes them strong, and is what makes them difficult.
For me, it’s perfect. The two extremes.
I know besides those two bands, you have a number of other musical ventures (forgive me for not being as knowledgeable about those). What would you say those projects provide for you that Old Soul and Cloud Rat don't?
I know besides those two bands, you have a number of other musical ventures (forgive me for not being as knowledgeable about those). What would you say those projects provide for you that Old Soul and Cloud Rat don't?
I do always have a
lot of other projects going, all of which are way different. I don't know
what it is, but for a long time now I just haven't been able to stop, or even
really just take it slow. It’s a
blessing and a curse sort of thing. I’ve been getting a little
crazy these days. I do a good amount of hip hop, electronic, chillwave
stuff under the name SaWTOoTh. I have 5 albums of raw, all vinyl sampled
instrumentals, and a few splits coming out soon with some really cool
peeps. I also recently started a net label/art collective called Phantom
Drip Collective. So that’s been cool, finding new artists and building a
little crew of weirdos from all over the world.
I do some solo stuff,
mostly piano and weird samples, sad sorta ambient long songs called Sola
Vulpes. But I’ve been too busy, and haven’t been playing piano that
much. I also have a couple noise/drone/ambient projects that I have done
a few records with, but haven’t done anything in a long time. The main one
being a band called Found Letters. It looks like we are going to try to
put out a new release sometime this summer though.
My main focus right now, outside of Old Soul and Cloud Rat, is for my band 'The Breath That Moves The Branches'. It’s sad, woodsy, folk kinda stuff but has a lot of really dreamy or almost droned out stuff in between. It's just myself, and my good friend Eyra Lucas. TBTMTB allows me to do everything I always felt I couldn’t really get, being in heavy bands. It's really nice to be able to sing, and write lyrics. And I play a lot of instruments that aren’t drums, so I get to play all sorts of stuff. I just ended up getting stuck playing drums for bands when I got in to punk, I never even wanted to be a drummer.
TBTMTB plays a lot of
different acoustics, 12 strings, cello, piano, mandolins and other
instruments. We record in interesting places; the woods, run down farm
houses, things like that. Which you obviously can't do that, easily, with
a 5 member band with enough amps to fill a cruise ship. It’s just a
different feeling, you know? And it’s something that I really love, and
have been getting way more inspired and motivated to do.
We just got done
filming a 4 part video series out in the woods. Clearing out tons of
invasive species that took over this beautiful hilltop, building fires,
recording, and filming performances lit by the brush fires. So that’s
been really fun, as it’s finally not freezing fucking cold out every day, and
we can actually get back to doing things like that. The videos are almost
all out and TBTMTB has a new full length that we spent the last 6 months
working on called "Dire Winter". Its over an hour long, and it’s
quite a different approach from our last release, which we recorded in two
days. The record also has several guest recordings from Mikey (Old Soul)
and Brandon Fernweh (Theyeattheirowngod). “Dire Winter” I believe, will
be out late April.
Man you
seriously have so much going on, damn! What would you say is the engine that
drives all this creativity?
I'm not sure really,
I think part of it is that I left school when I was 15 and just started making
music as much as possible. It never really slowed down, just turned into
more and more. Sometimes I think it's all I can really do, I seem to be
pretty bad at social things, being responsible, working a normal job. But
I like to think that's not really the case.
I like to think that
I owe my life to music. It basically raised me, helped me find out who I
am, and who I wanted to strive to become. Most of the long term friends I
have are because of music. I used to have no confidence at all, and the little
I have, I'm sure is from playing so much all these years. My first long
tour, Cloud Rat/Xtra Vomit, was basically what got me clean, after several
years of drug abuse. I've had slip ups since then, but I've always had
something to look forward to, to keep me from falling back into old ways, of
not giving a fuck about anything, and just destroying myself. Heroin is a
fucked up drug, and it takes you so far down, no matter what. Everyone I
knew from back then, doing that stuff, almost none of them made it out.
Certainly all of them gave up on dreams that we all shared. Most of them
are just gone; dead or in prison.
Music, punk, and touring, quite literally saved my life.
Music, punk, and touring, quite literally saved my life.
And I just have so much more to give, it almost seems
endless.
So I don't plan on slowing down anytime soon.
So I don't plan on slowing down anytime soon.
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